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Actual Quasi-Serious Discussion Topic
« Topic Start: September 10, 2010, 10:17:21 AM »
Mosque Center at Ground Zero.  Ok?  or no?
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« Reply #1: September 10, 2010, 10:58:07 AM »
I noticed you said Ok or no not is it legal.

On the unanswered question of legality, it is absolutely fine on several counts.

Is it ok?  That is a more ambiguous question.  Personally, I think it's fine.  Islam didn't knock the World Trade Center towers down.  16 religious extremists did.  Islam isn't the enemy.  Terrorist (many who use religion as their vehicle of hate) are.  If we are going to attribute the actions of 16 people to 1.6 billion people, then shouldn't we also attribute the actions of crazy Timothy McVeigh with Christianity?  Shouldn't we remove any Christian churches from anywhere near OKC's ground zero? 

Frankly, I hate America for even needing to have this discussion, not to mention that dumbfuck from bumblefuck Nazi Reverand BurnabookIveNeverRead.
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« Reply #2: September 10, 2010, 11:04:26 AM »
Pretty much +100 to chilly.

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Re: Actual Quasi-Serious Discussion Topic
« Reply #3: September 10, 2010, 11:07:27 AM »
**Chilly beat me to it**

Gonna be hard not to go off subject.

There's already a Mosque even closer than the proposed one - just 2 blocks away. This proposed one would be a block or two away? Which kind of makes the subject a bit mute, but I can sort of understand how an angry person would be opposed.
If you're wondering - "If there's one already, why do they need another?" Well, it could be because the existing one is not very big, or not big enough for all worshipers.

If the U.S. Gov or state Gov or whoever denies the building of this Mosque, or Islamic Center, it would stand against what the US always preaches, and what it says it stands for, primarily the constitutional right of freedom of religion and worship.

Not to mention the idiocy of associating all people of the Muslim belief to the attackers, because the attackers were of a Muslim faith.

@ Chilly. Hah, you said some stuff that I wanted to say, but was hesitant - like McVeigh, and how cray the US is for even discussing this. Fawx news man, they are spreading feces and millions of viewers are eating it right up.

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« Reply #4: September 10, 2010, 11:26:23 AM »
Rom, you know I love you and that's why I am going to correct your English.  A point is rendered moot not mute.  Yah, I know that your average 20-something idiot American says it wrong but I place you above them so I wanted to point that out to you.
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« Reply #5: September 10, 2010, 12:20:06 PM »
I disagree, bad spot for it.
I agree it's all legal, but just a bad spot.
Just like the guy who wanted to burn the Koran. He didn't/should'nt do it because it'll offend many people. Same thing with a ground zero mosque, shouldn't do it cause it'll offend the victims families and many other people.

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Re: Actual Quasi-Serious Discussion Topic
« Reply #6: September 10, 2010, 12:37:05 PM »
Thanks dude. I actually knew that; heck, I even saw it in a TV show - "Grounded for Life", I believe. Phonetically, it got to me. No need for disclaimer, and I appreciate your watchfulness  :)


As I said, there is already a Mosque 2 blocks away. Hurt feelings about what exactly? The new location is not all that near, and how would it practically impact any 9/11 victims?
If their 'feelings' are hurt by such a construction, then something else is most likely amiss. Since again, a Muslim worship center has nothing to do with some hijackers.

Muslims died on 9/11 as well.

I'm not sure the comparison between the burning of holy books, and construction of a place to worship, is balanced. People's 'feelings' will be hurt if a proposed place of worship is not constructed as planned. I can't say people's feelings will be hurt that the burning of Korans will not be happening. Also, one is a measure of accommodation, and the other a measure of hate and divisiveness - not to mention an absolute maniac and disgusting thing, lead by a 'preacher' of all people.


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« Reply #7: September 10, 2010, 12:37:44 PM »

Honestly I don't understand the offensive part other than a bigoted hatred of all Muslims.

Part of the reasons 9/11 happened is because people hated America's freedoms.  And, apparently, they won a victory because they chipped away at freedom of religion, freedom of commerce, freedom to gather etc.
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« Reply #8: September 10, 2010, 12:42:29 PM »

Honestly I don't understand the offensive part other than a bigoted hatred of all Muslims.

Part of the reasons 9/11 happened is because people hated America's freedoms.  And, apparently, they won a victory because they chipped away at freedom of religion, freedom of commerce, freedom to gather etc.

Exactly right. Bigoted, so called "Americans" are a bunch of ignorant cunts, embarrassing the rest of the country.

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« Reply #9: September 10, 2010, 01:28:05 PM »
I can completely respect Paralized's point of view.  My initial, gut reaction was probably similar to his.  I was all, "Why the fuck would Muslims build a huge mosque right on ground zero??? Don't they have any idea how that will cause a shit-storm and don't they care??!!"

Then, I read more about what was really happening.  It's not a mosque, it's a community center with tons of other stuff.  It's not a huge "victory mosque", it's a renovated Burlington Coat Factory store.  It's not on ground zero, it's blocks away.  There are actually mosques nearby already built and nobody is complaining about those.  And so on and so on.  

Now, all it makes me do is really hate the people who distort the truth and use this as a wedge to drive between Americans.  How can politicians treat our country as something to be divided and conquered?  Are there any selfless politicians left?  As equally important, why are Americans so easily duped?  Are we so fucking reliant on the 20-second news blurb that we can no longer do any investigation/education of the issues at hand by ourselves?  Are we that fucking complacent that we'll just be led like sheep by the first idiot with a catchy phrase and a loud enough voice?
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« Reply #10: September 10, 2010, 01:32:53 PM »
Now, all it makes me do is really hate the people who distort the truth and use this as a wedge to drive between Americans.

That I agree with 100%. 
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Re: Actual Quasi-Serious Discussion Topic
« Reply #11: September 10, 2010, 02:02:12 PM »
I see why it would bother a lot of people but if it wasn't for the media, it wouldn't be a big deal.  Its not the most tasteful thing but it doesn't really bother me.

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Re: Actual Quasi-Serious Discussion Topic
« Reply #12: September 10, 2010, 03:42:25 PM »
hey let the german guy jump in :P I dont know that much about whats going on in the press in the US but well we get some info over here xD I think its ok on one hand as u guys allready mentioned, its not a huge mosque and its not directly at the ground zero, its in its neighboorhood so it shouldnt actually be that bad. But I still think that some stuff happens and the moslems want us (the rest of the world) to respect them in every way so why do we not ask for the same? They need to respect what happend and that there are still some ppl dumb enough to think all of 9/11 happened because of moslems. Well hey, we cant even criticize anything about moslems in any way without getting a car bomb or something similar (please excuse my not so serious way of speaking). Remember that picture in a danish newspaper about mohamed? Remember the reactions? So we need to be carefull? In a christian country? But they dont? WTF?
We had a similar problem with a planned mosque in Cologne which was supposed to be fuckin huge. It was a joke IMO as it was even bigger then any other church of any other religion. I didnt really understand why the had to build such a mosque as there werent even enough moslems to fill that mosque. It didnt make any sense at all besides provoking any other religion existing in Germany. It was like: hey look at us! We have the money and the guts to build such a huge mosque in Germany!

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Re: Actual Quasi-Serious Discussion Topic
« Reply #13: September 10, 2010, 04:47:01 PM »
Park a car outside it and blow it up.
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« Reply #14: September 10, 2010, 05:20:54 PM »

I did not intend this thread to be a tirade against car bombings.  Car bombings are a god given right and a very effective way to settle arguments, pay bills, and deliver donuts. 
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