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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #45: June 18, 2010, 03:45:44 PM »
Can we abuse you now?

Oh yeah that's right! Haha England fail nyah nyah. ::abuse::  :yeah yeah:

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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #46: June 18, 2010, 04:03:50 PM »
In Michigan we have a new saying when you get fucked out of something that you deserved,that saying is as follows " Dude,you just got fucking 'Joyced' "
The 'Joyce' in the phrase refers to Major League Umpire Jim Joyce who fucked Tigers picture Armando Galarraga out of his perfect game a couple weeks ago with a terrible call.

sooo,that being said,Team U.S.A got fucking 'Joyced' with that disallowed goal---what, the referee dosent have to explain WHY he disallowed the goal?--thats a crock---man up stupid and admit you fucked up...at least Jim Joyced did that
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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #47: June 18, 2010, 04:09:12 PM »
In soccer the Ref is God on the field. Sadly, referees don't get all the godly benefits such as omnipotence.

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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #48: June 18, 2010, 04:42:59 PM »
Yea I hate that referees dont even need to explain what they saw. I mean now noone actually knows what was actually happening.
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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #49: June 18, 2010, 05:49:26 PM »
Quote from: RS-SquiZo  link=topic=2467.msg25657#msg25657 date=1276897379
Yea I hate that referees dont even need to explain what they saw. I mean now noone actually knows what was actually happening.

you mean they REALLY dont have to explain what they called? ..wow. Im not really sure if referees in the 4 major U.S sports are obligated to explain why or why not they make a certain call,but I cant recall a single time where a disputed call was never explained either good or bad,if this ref cant explain what he saw,then this whole world cup thing is nothing but a farce on the WWE proportion. What?,next Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair will be officiating ? and now that Im thinking about it...when does the fucking game end?? Isent it 90 minutes? how come the clock goes OVER the 90 minutes in every single game Ive ever watched(ok thats only about 4 total--so maybe thats not fair..but still it goes over every single time!!) Can someone explain to me when it actully ends..or let me guess,the "Refs" take care of the time as well,so they could end it anytime they want??---humm sounds kinda fishey to me. I'm thinking I'd like to be a Ref--throw down a few bets in vegas on the games Im gonna officiate,and call anything I want(cause I dont have to explain myself) and end it if theres a chance the other team might blow my spread...
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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #50: June 18, 2010, 06:04:50 PM »
nope they dont have to make a comment. which is pretty fucked up in my opinion
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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #51: June 18, 2010, 06:13:45 PM »
nope they dont have to make a comment. which is pretty fucked up in my opinion

wow,thats fucking amazing--for being the worlds most popular sport--thats just says EPIC FAIL in proportions that arent even defendable
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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #52: June 18, 2010, 06:28:52 PM »
As far as added time is concerned, that's there to make sure there are actually 90 minutes of play, to make up for time lost when players are injured or getting carded etc. This is up to the referee's discretion, but I haven't really ever seen this be "abused".

Referee's are people, they make mistakes. We have the advantage of time, slow motion, reruns, and multiple camera angles. They have an instant to make a decision. Obviously he fucked up, but to compare this to "WWE" is insulting. That said, there is plenty of gay bullshit like diving etc (lol, Italians).

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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #53: June 18, 2010, 07:03:59 PM »
It was ment to be insulting. I dont have a problem with making mistakes,thats not the problem. I have a problem when that person dosent have to explain WHY he made such a call. That just says to me..."hey Im gonna call what I want so go fuck yourselves" and that in itself can lead to favoritism,or just down right fixing of games. as for 'extra' time--who decides that? The Refs on the field? whos accountable for that? Simple soulution--stop the clock when theres a stoppage of play---start the time when play resumes---good lord,then everyones on the same page and theres no dispute when the game starts and ends. Really. how hard is that?

and before you think Im just 'hating' on soccer---Im not,I just wrote a check for the 3rd year in a row for my daughter to play on a travel league----poof 1700 hundred bucks I could have used to pay for a new computer but I cant now because she likes to kick a little ball around a field ....  :Romanian Logic:
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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #54: June 18, 2010, 07:18:02 PM »
Ah, and now we get to the cause of your anger. :P




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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #55: June 18, 2010, 07:24:16 PM »
I dont agree in both cases.. well yea he should explain what he saw as I allready said.
But they are not using any slowmotions and that stuff for a good reason in my opinion. The referee is part of the game as anyone else on the field. If he makes a mistake, well too bad but it happens. This doesnt mean at all that he could whatever he wants to, not at all. Many referees where fired cause they were "doing it wrong".
As for the extra time. There is a 4th referee who decides and I am perfectly fine with that and I havent hear anyone really complaining about it. Yea sometimes a team wants the match to end but there is allways a reason why its 3 min extra time and not 1 or something similar.
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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #56: June 18, 2010, 07:33:31 PM »
Does EVERYONE know when this 'extra' time ends..or do they just 'take' the refs word on it? so in other words, you could,by theroy--be busting loose on a break away,get ready to shoot-----score the winning goal and the ref can blow his whistle 3 times and end the game just as you were about to kick the ball in the goal and declare the game over---and NO one can or could dispute the time because the 4th ref is the only one that has an exact time? So 1 guy outta a hundred thousand people watching the game at the stadium and the billions that are watching the game on TV is the ONLY person that has the exact time when the game ends? Gay.
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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #57: June 18, 2010, 08:01:47 PM »
no offense but are u kidding me? first of all, no the 4th referee isnt the only one who knows about the extra time. He decides on it and then shows it to everyone. And lets say extra time was supposed to be 3 min that doesnt mean the game ends def. at 93 mins. Its still the 1st referees decision to decide when to end the match. So if ur just about to score he would never end the match, that would be rediculous. The match allways ends in "neutral" situation when noone is really attacking or about to score.
Its just different then icehockey or basketball where the match ends at a certain time and not a single sec of extra time. And that makes it quite interesting imo.
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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #58: June 18, 2010, 09:26:39 PM »
So, I've just woken up from a nap induced from an afternoon of heavy drinking and here are my thoughts on the day's goings-on...


Germany, and Klose, got Joyced... both of those yellows were fouls but neither warranted a booking... terrible officiating there. 
I didn't see the match, just the highlights, so that's all I've got on that one

US defense is for shit - I've been saying it all along but Jesus Christ... Then entire back line plays scared.  They seem to be afraid to step up to any attacker on the ball within 25 yard of goal - afraid that they'll get beat one on one and let the attacker have a free run into the box.  They seem to prefer to let that man on the ball have 7 yards of space while they sit back waiting to intercept/block the through ball that may never come and rely on the keeper to save any shot the attacker decides to take.  Not the proper way to defend.  No attacker should be allowed to hold the ball unchallenged withing 30 yards of goal and no one running off the ball should be more than an arm's length away from the man marking him... Jesus this is soccer 101 that these guys should've learned in high school. 

Once again, giving up an early goal is basically the worst case scenario and this time we went down 2-0.  Can't complain about getting a point after a first half like that but jesus what a bad call to disallow that goal.  Three US players were bear-hugged and/or wrestled down on that service and there was absolutely no foul committed by the US... fucking disgrace.

Donovan is a warrior... when his team needed him most, he came through.  I've been very critical of him in the past - when he was the most talented player on the team and would disappear for several matches in a row, when he would be completely eliminated from a match as soon as he began to get roughed up a little.  For the past two years or so, he's been the heart and soul of this team.  He now understands that the rest of the team look to him and feed of of his energy and attitude... he works his ass of now and the team has been much better for it.

England match was exceptionally boring... we spent more time antagonizing the fans in the pub than actually watching from the edges of our stools.  The atmosphere was awesome though... we were outnumbered about 20-1 and they were really letting us have it in the first half.  Their spirits seemed to die as the match wore on though.  Oh, and the Traditional Meat Pie (steak and stilton) was awesome. No homo.

Sky, I don't remember who said it but I recently heard a perfect line form one of the US analysts.  The reason that England always under achieves and/or is overrated in the World Cup is because they've got too many English players on their roster.  The kind of player who is a complete stud in the EPL but shrivels in international play.  His theory was that in the EPL, these English players are surrounded by the creative attacking players from all sorts of other nations and the English, with few exceptions, are little more than the grunts and role players that every team needs.  The creativity and style come from the foreigners.  You only have to look to your own club to see evidence of this - how many Brits are in the Arsenal squad? one or two?

Now it comes down to the final group matches.  For both of us, the situation is basically the same - take care of business and win the match and we're both through to the knockout round.  Like we've discussed in the past, if we can't beat the likes of Slovenia & Algeria in crunch time, we don't really deserve to advance anyway.


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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #59: June 19, 2010, 06:26:42 AM »
Quote from: RS-SquiZo  link=topic=2467.msg25667#msg25667 date=1276909307
no offense but are u kidding me? first of all, no the 4th referee isnt the only one who knows about the extra time. He decides on it and then shows it to everyone. And lets say extra time was supposed to be 3 min that doesnt mean the game ends def. at 93 mins. Its still the 1st referees decision to decide when to end the match. So if ur just about to score he would never end the match, that would be rediculous. The match allways ends in "neutral" situation when noone is really attacking or about to score.
Its just different then icehockey or basketball where the match ends at a certain time and not a single sec of extra time. And that makes it quite interesting imo.

wait..now im even more confused...

you're saying  the 4th ref  decides on what extra time should be then discusses it with everyone(Im assuming 'everyone' are the other refs) then they play it out...ok...fair enough,but then its still the first refs decision when to end the match?....so wait...you could have 3 minutes of 'extra time but still could play 5 minutes if the 1st refs feels the 'situation' is warrented?? Does anyone besides me find this utterly ridiculous ? Or really,is that what makes it appealing to the massas that I just dont understand. And is it an official rule that the game has to end in a neutral situation? or is that something that is more or less a 'gentlemans' agreement ? What exactly IS a neutral situation? Does the first ref decide that as well ?

I guess its hard  for me to wrap my head around it...I love sports,I like a beginning,halftime and end--or 9 innings.period. I like to know when my game starts..when my game ends(granted the last 5 minutes in basketball usually last an hour--but at least you can see the clock and tell your wife its gonna end in 2 minutes,Ill be right there)--the whole 'extra' time,and no actual game clock just seems like --well kinda dumb actully..LOL
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