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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #165: July 07, 2010, 06:14:13 PM »
ah yea I forgot... im spanish too btw.. como estas hijo?
(if ur not gonna answer in spanish now.. well u fail then :P)

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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #166: July 07, 2010, 06:53:08 PM »
Spain fail many times, but they created some many chances that something had to work. Germany...idk, they forgot until the end that you win soccer matches by scoring. I had been betting Germany was going to win 2-0, but that failed.

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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #167: July 07, 2010, 07:20:14 PM »
Quote from: RS-SquiZo  link=topic=2467.msg25982#msg25982 date=1278537791
wtf were they doing! Letting Spain play their game and Germany seemed really slow and well idk.. kinda tired somehow. Not again 3rd place... well hopefully :S

Well, as a completely neutral observer (and like I said before), I thought it was a pretty good game plan and it worked fairly well but they just didn't find a way to steal a goal somewhere.

Who would've thought the scoring machine that was Germany in this tournament would be held without a goal?  I certainly didn't.  Sure, Spain created chances but everyone knew they would.  I loved the way Germany really took away the center of the field and forced Spain to attack from out wide.  None of the Spanish attacking players have the height to scare a back line like Germany's (with taller players in the middle) and have no shot at winning headers from crosses delivered from the wings.  This was exactly how the US beat Spain in the Confed Cup Last summer - allow Spain to possess the ball, force them to attack from the outside, defend like hell, and counter attack with speed when the opportunity presents itself.

Germany just faltered a on the speed part.  It looked like many of their counter attacks were in slow motion.  I guess that's understandable and/or the smart way to go about it when facing a team that can catch you too far forward and punish you as quickly as Spain can but that conservatism wound up costing them a bunch of potential scoring chances in a match where they were few and very far between for Germany.  Germany just missed a couple of full blown counter-attack breakouts where a diagonal ball was just a tick late or over-hit that would have been very dangerous chances but they only created one real chance (that Kroos really should've buried).  

Ultimately, one bad defensive play where no one marked Puyol and not enough offense for a team that appeared to be an offensive juggernaut before today.  How much of this was Spain defending well or Germany being too cautious, I guess we'll never know.  


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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #168: July 11, 2010, 06:44:13 PM »


I caught the last few minutes of the final including the Spain goal.  I was looking for some background noise to fill the room to catch up on comic book reading and ended up actually watching.

I didnt like the post game were just about every commentator was just bitching about how god awful the game was instead of showing replays of the one on one's they would talk about every so often.
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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #169: July 11, 2010, 07:08:43 PM »
Well after all I have to say I am still disappointed for the most part. I like that Spain won the WC as they really deserved it and played quite well in at least the 2 last matches. They didnt seem as strong as 2 years ago but still really hard to beat. Germany did a great job and would have deserved it even more then Spain if there werent the last 2 matches. I didnt really like the german play as they seemed really tired and not really focused. Well in the last match against Uruguay they did fight hard to win and they deserved the win at the end.
This whole WC was really wierd in my opinion. I mean we are talking about the best national teams in the world but I didnt really see a lot of the best way to play soccer. Lots of teams failed badly, France and Italy were kinda helarious in my opinion. A team like Ghana got through way too far for a team playing like they did. I have nothing against Ghana but I dont like to see teams advancing to the quarter finals without really playing great football. Spain and the Netherlands were the best teams by far next to Germany. Uruguay.. well they were def. hard to beat but did I like their play-style? not at all.. I dont know whats wrong lately but it seems like that the point of playing football is not about great play and awesome goals, its only about the final score. Well sure its allways about the final score but I didnt know that that means that it needs to be borring as hell sometimes. I was watching the semi-final, the Netherlands vs. Uruguay, and even switched the channel because I couldnt take it anymore. My next thought in that situation was: fuckin hell, I cant miss the freakin semi-final, but this is waaaayy too borring!
I remember the times when I was thrilled for 90 mins watching some awesome players playing awesome football. I really miss those times and I have hope. The german team looks really strong and I have the feeling they will have a great future considering that most of them are really young. Only 2 players are born in the 70s. Thats just awesome. Mueller, a player that is playing professionally for 1 year now (yea 1 freakin year!) is the top scorer of the World Cup. Thats so freakin awesome I cant really believe it.
So yea after all I hope all of this will get a lot better in the next years.
Oh one thing I have to talk about again: the freakin referees... I mean I have absolutely no idea what actually happened in the last weeks before the WC cause somethings def. wrong here. I have never seen such a bad performance of referees in such a short time. Yes there were some bad calls in the past but that many in a WC.. erm.. nope. Even today there were way too many bad calls for a final. I liked his way to handly the whole match, giving out quite lots of yellow cards but not too many reds. He tried to get the control while not destroying the game. Great job actually. But a not given penalty, not giving a red card for a kung-fu fighting asshole, another not given red card for a payback from the best player of the match is just not cool and not acceptable for me.

So yea to say all of that in one sentence: The soccer world has a lot to work over :)
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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #170: July 11, 2010, 09:36:36 PM »
Yeah,

Overall, a pretty shitty World Cup... started with a shit ball that lead to some pretty shitty play.  Also, from day one and on the whole, the officiating was awful.  It was better in the past few matches but are there really only three or four very good refs on this planet?  At least the best team won.

Now, we're on to Brazil in '14 and the probability of some sort of changes to the officiating structure by way of goal line technology.  It won't do any good for the blatantly wrong offside calls we've seen this year but I guess it's a step in the right direction.

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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #171: July 12, 2010, 03:45:47 PM »
Lol squizo this is your avatar right?


I can see some potential funnies coming..






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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #172: July 12, 2010, 04:44:41 PM »
yea it is.. tried to get it to work last night and was too lazy after a while.. so why the fuck is it actually not working? :(
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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #173: July 12, 2010, 04:50:42 PM »
I love dat shit. Can you upload the one with the Butterfinger candy bar? LOLOL

Last Cup the freakin' greasy ass Italians and their diving won it....I love seeing that Matarazzi (I don't care if I misspelled his name) go down like the bitch he is.
Did you see the interview with him? How even to this day he tried to shake that moment, wahh wahh wahh. He avoided anything to do with soccer, staid away from S.A. and anything. LOL he came to the US and traveled in a RV - he was even in Colorado! ARGHH!

As for THIS world cup. Quit your damn whining. So much focus on the bad stuff. Plzz, it's easy cuz that gets the attention. Plenty of great calls were made by refs, stuff that you needed slow-mo to see they were right. Everyone becomes a freakin' expert in slow-mo. In fact, lots of plays required us to see them in slow-mo several times, and from different angle to make a final decision. Now imagine dat shit live.

As the FIFA head guy said, this is probably the last Cup with the standing rules etc. So maybe we will see some technology; or more refs?

The sportsman ship (diving/aggression etc) was a bit much at time, but again - plenty of games were played with high sportsmanship. I love the focus on the negative.


Oh and South Africa handled the WORLD CUP awesomely! Well done!

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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #174: July 12, 2010, 07:06:08 PM »
Im not focusing on the bad stuff.. seriously. Im not talking about the close stuff, just take the goal against Germany by England, I dont need any slowmo for that. It was really obvious. Other stuff too, some fouls were punished with a yellow card which were nothing at all. And yesterday somebody is playing Kung-Fu soccer and not getting a red card. WTF?? I love to watch soccer but if the quality of the games and the officiating keeps being that bad I wont watch it that much anymore.. thats for sure.
Tho I have to say some teams did impress me. Germany was awesome. The team didnt only take their game to a whole new level, they also took the whole picture of Germany to whole new level. Even countries were supporting the german team that really used to hate us, yea even Uruguay loved the way our team played. IMO the german team was actually the best team of the WC as they played the most attractive game and being successfull at the same time. Spain was allright but didnt blow me away... Dont get me wrong.. they deserved to win against Germany as I allready said.
Cant wait for Brasil 2014 when Germany will win the WC :)
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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #175: July 13, 2010, 12:16:12 AM »
Are you really betting against Brazil on home soil?

And Rom,

Stop being so apologetic for the rest of the world.  I don't give a shit that some FIFA honcho claims that, after internal reviews, the Cup refs had a 96% accuracy rating.  The blown, missed and flat-out wrong calls were very high profile and a great many of them directly affected the matches in question.  I watch the World Cup for one reason - to see the best players in the world determine who the best team is.  When the focus is often on things like new and "improved" balls, annoying as fuck horns, unbelievably high profile officiating errors or anything else, I'm at least annoyed and at most fucking pissed.  I devote a shit-ton of time to international soccer and this is supposed to be the pinnacle.  This time around, I'm dissapointed.

Call it focusing on the negative or whatever else you want - I couldn't care less.  I watched at least a portion of every single match from this tourney and watched about half of them in their entirety (even if several of them were seen on fast forward from my dvr).  The fact remains that it was not one of the better World Cups of recent memory.  And that's a real shame because this was a golden opportunity to really gain new fans and respect in America.  Sure both of those were accomplished to a degree.  But it should have been better/more. 

This thread has been a prime example of exactly what I'm talking about.  Chilly and H2o both made a real effort to get into soccer and both were left feeling indifferent and frustrated.  I'm guessing that you don't know what I'm talking about here since you probably didn't read the entire thread before picking out something to comment on (again).

And saying that South Africa handled this Cup "awesomely" is only partly true.  The did a nice job with the construction of facilities and infrastructure even when that looked like anything but a sure bet even as recently as this spring.  Again, I don't expect you to know anything about this since I seriously doubt that you pay much attention to the US national team or World Cup until the finals actually start. 

My one complaint with the job done here is directed at both S. Africa and FIFA and it's a major one to me.  The playing surfaces in this tournament were basically shit.  Even in the final, the turf was in pretty sorry shape and that's just unforgivable.  Two years of qualifying, 31 days and 63 actual tournament matches all lead up to what should be nothing less than a showcase event.  The host nation and FIFA have no control over how the match participants choose to play in the final (and in this case Holland chose a style more suited to American football rather than real football which lead to a very choppy match with no flow that was not very attractive) but they do have control over the surface.  Anything less than a pristine surface in your showcase event is not acceptable.  Sorry.

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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #176: July 13, 2010, 06:37:10 AM »
Champions League.. is all i got to say! ^^. Way more enjoyable to watch and happens every year... and less horns.. i hope.. xD
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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #177: July 13, 2010, 04:35:23 PM »
oh yea seriously.. I cant remember that I have seen even one of such bad calls in the entire last Champions League season.. and way better soccer. By far actually...
Cant wait for the next season :D
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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #178: July 13, 2010, 10:48:31 PM »
Champions League

If only I had a club to support...

It's a little difficult when I only get a few matches from the EPL and even fewer from Serie A. 

I suppose I could buy one of those pay-per-view type deals and get all the matches of my chosen club but I still aint go no real job  :crying blue ball:

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Re: More on the World Cup
« Reply #179: July 14, 2010, 12:49:34 AM »
Apologetic? huh? lol was never my intention.

I could care less about 'making more fans in US' and that 'Chilly and H2O' tried - no offense. I get that these guys can provide an opinion from a stand point of a 'new to the event' to the whole party.  Whatever they pointed out, they may have as well pointed out during plenty of other cups. The thing is no cup was ever perfect, and there are always blown calls, and crazy ass diving that leads to advantages/goals etc. (say thanks to the Italians, for exploding the diving contest in recent years).
Do you even remember the last World Cup? I still maintain Italy rode the 'diving pony' all the way to the Cup winner. I will agree that things should be improving in overall experience; and that's something that may not be true, and if anything, maybe there were even steps taken back in recent cups (diving is 1 example - but that's play as opposed to actual FIFA things or host nation).

Vuvuzelas are something that was unique and original, and it is the way South Africans like to express their support. That should not even be mentioned in this discussion. That comes down to personal preference.


Good for you that some things were obvious - on TV. Wow, you got so much skill. Plzz dude. The players are faster than ever, and the game is faster than ever. The ball was going faster than ever, (and flying crazier than ever). 3 people are in charge of the whole field. So maybe, this will just be the opportunity to help these 3 human beings in the future.

The fields were not pristine?  OH NOES! It's Africa. But I get it. Maybe it's true. Thing is, it was good enough and we didn't see any crazy bouncing around because of the field - like I've seen plenty of times before in FIFA games; not necessarily in WC though. I didn't see players tripping, ankles being rolled what have you. Bottom line is, the fields were good enough, and it was not of major concern from the players.
As you said, yes well done on infrastructure as well.

If anything, I will agree with the ball complaint - something that the players actually complained about, and showed concern for. And looks like their complaints/worries were true. The ball was crazy in flight and did have the 'knuckle' effect.
But as Adidas said, the ball was given to teams for testing and to get a feel for it. No complaints were filed. I don't know why that is, but it would have good if they caught it early.


Imagine all the disasters that could have happened - stadium and field security stuff, out of control riots n things, etc etc etc use your imagination and maybe past world cups. We had just 1 guy get onto the field this whole time (I saw just 1 occurrence, and haven't heard of others; who btw was total fail and lame; not to mention he did at the beginning of the game and probably got kicked out, but maybe did so as to not disrupt the intensity at the end) No things thrown at players/on field, out of control flares, etc etc etc. Sure that may just be the people being nice, as opposed to the security team preventing it; all I know is they DID not happen.

I maintain: Well done South Africa! Well done.

Did the best team win? I believe so. Whether 1 or two games may have been different because of some calls, remains unknown but a valid point not the less. But that may be true for most WCs. However, I think the overall elimination process lead to the two best teams playing it out. And I do think the best team did win. I was so glad it did not go to penalties - that would have been lame to end a WC. And btw, VIVA EUROPA!!!!

Successful Cup? Yep!


When Barcelona lost the Champion's League to Inter Milan, I was thinking maybe Spain will win the world cup. Hah! it happened, and I was super glad that Italia got eliminated so quick, as I said.
The only cool thing for me about Inter winning the CL cup is that Chivu was on that team.
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